In the game Skyrim, you’re given the option to either side with the Imperials or the Stormcloaks. Skyrim is one province of the continent of Tamriel, on planet Nirn, upon which the Elder Scrolls games are based. The Stormcloaks are “true” Nords of the Skyrim region who wish to freely worship Talos, and hold this as their primary reason for fighting the Imperials. The Imperials are a kind of police that enforce the laws of the Cyrodiil, of which Skyrim is one part. The Imperials were at war with the Elves at one point, and as a concession in a treaty for peace, decided to permit the Thalmor (a religious clan of Elves) to police Skyrim in search of Talos-worshippers in what amounts to a ban on Talos worship. The Imperials never or rarely enforce the ban, and desire free Talos worship as much, if not more, as do the Stormcloaks. The Thalmor enforce the ban because they believe Talos is not a god, and Talos-worship amounts to idolatry of a man, since they assert a man cannot become a god. The Nords believe Talos did become a god.
That said, in the game, I believe you should side with the Imperials, not the Stormcloaks. Here’s why.
The Imperials and the Stormcloaks are united in their desire to make Talos worship a right of every Nord, but the Stormcloaks refuse to admit it. The Imperials only agreed to the ban (that they only rarely or never enforce — only the Thalmor enforce it) as a bargaining chip to end the war with the Elves.
The Stormcloaks are a cluster of poorly organized lay-abouts, who just sit about and moan about how they can’t worship Talos out in the open like they used to, with the Thalmor roaming the neighborhood. However, instead of attacking the Thalmor directly — which are far fewer in number and are essentially there only because the Imperials have a treaty to let them in.. the Stormcloaks decide to attack the Imperials of their own blood. WHY?
Can’t you see that the Imperials are surely using this treaty as a strategy against the Thalmor, to let them in, and then suddenly make the strike? They can’t contact their Elven brethren when they’re way out in Riften or someplace, so that would be a prime opportunity to commit a fatal blow, an “Order 66″ as it were, against the Elves while their backs are turned believing themselves to be in security from attack, when instead the Imperials are simply sharpening their swords and lacing them with Drain Magicka poisons. The Stormcloaks are totally messing up the plan.
The best plan, if the Stormcloaks could actually think for a second, unlike the meat-head Ah-nold stereotypes they appear to be, is to become an Imperial, rise up through the ranks, and then sucker-punch the Thalmor with a surprise attack that will shatter their foothold and turn the tide widely into Nord favor. The Stormcloaks should be in support of Imperial efforts, not hampering it with their incessant whining and poorly-organized attacks that only strengthen the Thalmor advantage!
The Imperials, to use a metaphor, are becoming employees of the Thalmor, but using the money earned from it to buy a poison dagger to stab the Thalmor as they drift off to sleep in the big cushy office chair, believing they’re in safety and power..
Shadow Hide Y… er… Long Live Talos!



You are so utterly wrong. The Imperials only agreed to the white-gold concordat and the ban of the worship of Talos to make peace.
They did this because, the Thalmor nearly had defeated them. The Thalmor were going to win the war, and the Imperials needed something to save their own skin. So they signed the treaty. To let in a few Thalmor enforcers just to kill them, why?
There aren’t many Thalmor in skyrim, so killing them would prove nothing. To kill the Thalmor in Skyrim would result in again war, and the Thalmor would surely destroy the Empire.
It’s in the game that the empire took back imperial city with the help of their red guards and won the war, at devastating costs, but in order to stop future attacks, gave in to thalmor demands like the ban of talos worshipping. And gave away the regulars provinces which they later rebelled and took it back fueling their hatred for the empire. The empire makes mistakes and the stormcloaks don’t help. Too wrongs don’t make a right. If you chose the imperials possibly, you can regain the empires strength and Kick the shite out of those damn elves
This article has a few valid points but its not entirely true. The imperials are a crumbling empire who are a fraction of what thet used to be. I have played The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion and Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim and have noticed a major difference in the attititute and morals of the imperials. If you play the game , you may notice in entering cities that imperials will attempt to take your coin as a entrance to the city and when you exploit this act for being a shakedown they let you in before you make a scene. They are not what the used to be. Stormcloaks are a group of natives of Skyrim and have been their the longest. They will end up being the stronger of the 2 groupd. If you talk to Ulfric Stormcloak, you may be able to bring up a question asking him why he killed the imperial emperor supposedly with a shout.He will explain that “how can a emperor defend and have a sucessful army when he cannot defend himself. Skyrim needs a strong leader both in war and leadership. Ulfric has those capabilities. There may be an ounce of racism with Ulfric but he has good plans.
Samm you’re completely wrong about the Imperials trying to take your coin, that happens in Riften. The Rift is under Stormcloak control, not Imperial, not to mention if you do the Thieves guild quest and talk to Brynjolf to start entry into the thieves guild. He says he thinks you are right for the job because you knew his man was trying to shake you down at the front gate. The guard that tries this is revealed to be neither Stormcloak nor Imperial but a Thieves guild operative. “how can an emperor defend and have a sucessful army when he cannot defend himself.” We all know how powerful a Thu’um is, especially Fus Ro Dah which would completely stun somebody and knock them far back onto the ground, this is the Thu’um Ulfric has, if he used this on the High King (its not the emperor of Skyrim but the high King, emperor is ruler of all of Tamriel) there’s no way he would have been able to defend himself. I am not saying I disagree with the Stormcloaks entirely but in these matters you were mistaken.
Actually, Samm, the only city that does that isRiften, andRiften is controlled by Stormcloaks when that happens. Get your facts straight before you make a fool of yourself. He didn’t kill the Imperial Emporer (That’s the Dark Brotherhood’s job xD ) He killed the High King of Skyrim- just to become the high King himself. Ulfric is an egotistical, racist, self-loving idiot who doesn’t give a skeevertail about Talos. He only wants to be High King.
Powerful point at the end General Tullius gives you a hint after you take over the Stormcloak Capital that there will be some sort of plan to attack the Thalmor to push them out of skyrim and to soon go to war again. Which I hope will be an exspansion pack. The Battle For Tamriel.
And Here’s a Reason not to:
If The Empire takes Riften, Maven Black-Briar becomes Jarl.
Talos save that city.
Easy — just get that lady in Whiterun who claims MBB there is her good friend, to convince her friend to be nice. Settled ^___^
Oh god- really? Well, Melerdius’ universe is pooped upon by a giant skeever… but hey, why should he care about riften if he is just a mage?
Just so you know; Skyrim, Morrowind, Cyrodiil, High Rock, Elsweyr, Black Marsh, Valenwood, Summerset Isle, and Hammerfell are all provinces in the continent of Tamriel. Tamriel is one continent on the planet called Nirn. The Elder Scrolls do not all take place in Cyrodiil. TES IV: Oblivion is Cyrodiil. TES takes place in Tamriel.
Corrected!
Truthfulnessismocity.
Amen.
Maybe a few valid points, but that still doesn’t change that the empire is bad for Skyrim. See why here:
highkingulfricstormcloak.blogspot.com
*reaches for sword* LONG LIVE THE EMPIRE! *stabs “Ulfric” in the chest*
I agree with most of this, save for the fact that you think the Imperials are trying to let them into Skyrim to “stab them in the back.” I think the Imperials only signed the treaty to save their skin. What is obvious though is that the Stormcloaks are a bane on all of Skyrim and all they are doing is weakening an already weakened Empire. It’s obvious why the Thalmor made the White-Gold Concordat. Skyrim was one of the provinces and allies of the Empire, and Nords are generally very proud of their heritage and culture. The Thalmor banned the worship of Talos (a Nord who became a god) to upset all the Nords and cause them to fight with the Empire, weakining it even further. Stormcloaks are just Thalmor puppets, whether they realize it or not. Though the Empire lost to the Aldmeri Dominion, if there is anyone out there who would be able to stand against the Thalmor again, it would be the Empire and the Thalmor know this, which is why they’re trying to turn weaken the Empire by turning it’s former allies against it. That’s why i don’t trust Ulfric. Whereas Tulius’ motives seem to be more genuine in that he just wants the civil war over, Ulfric seems to be fighting for the whole “glory and honor” story which appeals to all of the proud Talos worshiping Nords. Even when faced with death, he wants the Dragonborn to kill him to make for a “better story.” probably to make him a martyr for the Nords to rally around. In conclusion, the true bad-guy in this event is clearly the elven supremacist Thalmor and it seems all too convenient that even though the Imperials and Nords all want to worship Talos, that the Stormcloaks would take the fight to the Empire and not become united with the Empire and fight the Thalmor. For this reason i think that Ulfirc Stormcloak is either…
1. Really really really stupid if he can’t see that he is a Thalmor puppet.
2.Working alongside the Thalmor to destroy the Empire and is toying with the people in the Stormcloak rebellion who honestly believe their cause is true.
If you read the Thalmor Dossier about ulfric Stormcloak (Found in a chest in the Thamor Embassy quest) it says that both sides ARE thalmor puppets.
Don’t forget Ullfric is racist and fighting to keep other races out of Skyrim. Also on the benefits side the Legion offers better armor and they also have a larger force of men to fight with. The stormcloaks have little heavy armor and are barely better equipped than a city guard. Although the Imperials tend to be fighting melee with one sword and not a shield too, the storm cloaks are all for two handed weapons. The stormcloaks are racist, ill equipped to fight the elves, weakening Skyrim and the Empire, are playing right into the thalmors hands, and are in need of the Empires assets. For Nordic pride, the Empire was created by the most famous Nord, Tiber Septim,wouldnt they want the empire to stay nordic?
I don’t care who is right or wrong, who is a racist or who has a plan to defeat the Thalmor, who fights for freedom or for profit, I don’t like any of the two factions, but the damn imperials tried to chop my head off at the beginning of the game and that’s reason enough to give them the finger. Anyway, no offense, but I’m going to ignore this “Why You Should Become An Imperial, Not A Stormcloak” thing, I paid for my copy of Skyrim and that gives me the right to join whatever faction I want, right?
It was all a big misunderstanding though- they only captured you because they wanted the Stormcloaks. In a roundabout way, the Stormcloaks are responsible for your capture and would-be execution.
The stinking imperials tried to cut my head off at the beginning. So now I kill every imperial I can find. How annoying that some of them are immortal, so I cant wipe Skyrim free of them! I’m not a fan of the Stormcloaks either. I just slightly prefer them to the Imperials. The makers of Skyrim are using realism with the politics in this game. There is no “good” or “bad” side. Each side is mostly concerned with power-being able to tell others what they can or cant do. It’s the same thing in many countries in real life. In America, most intelligent people dont like Democrats or Republicans. They are both filthy, terrible organizations, filled with liars (politicians) who will tell you anything to gain power (get elected). All you can do is pick the lesser of two evils.
Several problems with your totally retarded arguments:
(a) *One* Imperial ordered an executioner to cut off your head at the beginning. The executioner is merely employed by whomever needs his services. The person you have ire against is the person who ordered you to be beheaded, not the executioner. Go kill that lady or whatever. If your neighbor mows over your rose bushes by mistake, do you go to your OTHER neighbors and mow theirs down? No, you take issue with the neighbor that did it. It was within the power of the commander who ordered your death to also abstain from such orders. But then again, you do have the intelligence and capacity for rational thought of a Stormcloak, so go on then! Join up with those moany losers!
(b) “All you can do is pick the lesser of two evils” — NO! You can actually get involved with your government LIKE YOU SHOULD BE DOING ALREADY, instead of just voting once every so often, and then moaning like a lazy Stormcloak, blah-blah-politicians-blah-blah-evil. You sir, have the neuropathways of an Egg McMuffin. I would not advise you to ever vote in any future elections.
Again, in a roundabout way, the Stormcloaks are the ones who got you caught and sent to your would-be execution.
Just saying on the fact about riften no matter who owns it you still get stopped, bc its neither stormcloak or imperial its just one of brynofls thieves guild lackies dressed as a storm cloak and as for the execution the one imperial makes a statement on you arent on the list but yet the commander still sends you to the block just shows how corrupt and evil the stupid legion really is and honestly they deserve to ne destroyed I mean they were almost completely wiped out in the great war and if they got their ass beat once I don’t think they are Very strong at all and the imperial are just slaves to the thalmor and are looking to get their own slaves by taking over skyrim. Its like us China has us by the balls bc everything here is made by them so ya know we go bully other third world countries for their oil its just how things work.
I have sided with the Imperials, but i don’t fully agree with what the OP has said here. However, for those who side with the Stormcloaks, i would have a few points to address:
1. I don’t care about the worship of Talos and i find it a piss poor reason to start a civil war when you clearly have other pressing matters to attend to, like the return of the effin dragons. So yea, while the Stormcloaks are busy crying over how they can’t openly worship Talos, their farms are being burned down and their sons and daughters attacked by dragons.
2. The Stormcloak rebellion is playing right into the Thalmor plans. They WANT a civil war to exist, because that will ensure the people of Tamriel will never unite and try to overthrow the Aldmeri Dominion. The Thalmor are even talking about sending indirect aid to the Stormcloaks to keep the civil war going. Remember the Latin phrase “divide et impera” (divide and conquer)? That’s exactly what the Thalmor are doing.
3. Ulfric was a Thalmor prisoner during the Great War. Why would the Thalmor release the war prisoner Ulfric in the first place? To start the rebellion. Mind you, they might have asked for the ban of Talos worship exactly for that reason: because it was the last straw for the proud Nords. This was a sensitive subject to them, Tiber Septim being a war hero, a symbol and all that. The Thalmor gave them the perfect reason to rebel. You think the Thalmor really care about who worships who? That they’re preoccupied with religious goals? I think they’re more concerned with ensuring their supremacy and enslaving human races.
4. How is a Stormcloak rebellion, which is limited to Skyrim alone and having trouble overthrowing the Imperial Legion in Skyrim (mind you, a Legion that is already weakened and unable to stand up to the Thalmor) going to overthrow the Aldmeri Dominion? In their current shape, neither factions can fight the Aldmeri Dominion and thats exactly what the Thalmor want.
5. While the Stormcloak rebellion is a separatist faction existing in the country of Skyrim, the Imperial Legion is a force that operates throughout the Empire. That means that even in their weakened state, The Legion has more resources than the Stormcloaks will ever have. They sent one guy – Tullius – to appease the Nords. I bet he’s not the only general they have.
6. The Legion tries to represent the ideals of peoples throughout Tamriel while the Stormcloaks make it pretty obvious that they only represent the true sons and daughters of Skyrim – the Nords. There are 10 races in the game. What have the Stormcloaks ever done for the elves and the beast races, other than drive them out of the cities or confine them to the slums?
7. Ulfric is a puppet because he unwittingly plays into the Thalmor plans, not necessarily because he would act on their command. He thinks he’s acting against the Thalmor and he’s too blinded by his pride to see that he’s giving them what they want.
aha, that’s pretty much what i said
in your point #1, you said they should care more about the dragons that the worship of Talos. But, the civil war STARTED before you entered the game. The dragons haven’t even showed up yet. I believe the Stormcloaks are still wrong, but you might want to fix that part of your argument.
I’m not totally sure the civil war has even begun yet. Were there any battles fought before you arrived? There were outposts and forts and encampments, but they’re just sitting there being grumpy instead of engaging in warfare. There are little 2v2 kinds of battles I think randomly, but nothing I’d consider an actual war. I think they’re on the *brink* of civil war, and the only real move that has been made was Ulfric’s duel and the Imperial attempted action against him…
The Imperials didn’t let the Thalmor in as part of a secret plot, they did it as a concession to end the war. And that’s a pretty huge concession. Additionally, although the article suggests that the Stormcloaks could join the Legion, rise through the ranks and restart the war, ultimately the Legionnaires don’t decide when they go to war. That’s the decision of the Emperor, the jobs of the high ranking soldiers is to run war, not to decide the foreign policy of the Empire.
The Thalmor essentially want the civil war to continue. Whether or not the Empire or Stormcloaks win, both sides hate the Aldmeri Dominion and would still be united against its aggression even if Skyrim is otherwise independent. I think that the Empire is probably the ‘better’ side, because the Stormcloaks are racist against the elves, many of which have made Skryim their home, but in terms of fighting the Thalmor it doesn’t matter who the player helps. Ending the civil war is bad for the Thalmor, whichever side you end it for.
The imperials are far more orginized and put better jarles in when they win and u get better weapons when u side with the imperials and the storm cloaks are a bunch of rasists who cant beat me when I find them and kill them with one hit XD
The imperial soldiers tried to shake me down for money several times while traveling in the wilds.
Those weren’t Imperials. They were traveling bandits, who had just stolen the armor from Imperials they just killed — because the Imperials’ bodies were lying on the ground near them. I’ve never encountered an Imperial asking for money..
I think everyone that says the imperials are smarter than the stormcloacks are stupid and/or retarded…. Or you have not yet played the stormcloak side… I have played both the imperial and stormcloak side and well I choose the stormcloacks over the imperials… Because 1: the stormcloaks use tactics as you meet ralof and some extra soldiers he make a plan like when rescuing the captured soldiers he tells you to sneak in through a river cave and they take the top… Another one is where you have to take a supply caravan and his plan is for you to attack melee and they will rain down arrows on them from the elevated stone ledge… So yes the stormclaoks are smart and what are the empires plans???? CHARGE!!!!! That’s it… That’s the best they have!!!! 2: stormclaok missions are more fun… Imperials is just boring as it is the same thing over and over with one or 2 exeptions… And what the hell is your problem with the thalmor?? I don’t like the thalmor but I sure as hell don’t need the empire or the stormcloacks to take down the thalmor… I am khajiit so I nord imperials elves don’t bother me… And I KILLED ALDUIN THE WOLD EATER WITH ONE HIT!!!!!!!!!! If I can do that to the wold eater, the dragon that not even the the empire stormcloack and aldimeri diminion united can kill what the hell do u think I can do to a bunch of TINY PITEFULL DISGRACEFULL WEAKLING ELVES???? I will fight and will the great war sigle handed!!! So yeah the aldimeri diminion does not even bother me… They don’t stand a chance!!!!! So yeah be a stormcloack for 2 reasons 1: they’re missions are more fun…. 2: they’re are orginized planned and have a variaty…. Oh and P.S they guy that said what could toryg do against a thu’um…. I have the spell breaker shield so the thu’um FUS RO DA… CAN’T EVEN WIGGLE MY TAIL!!!!
For me the Stormcloaks are a better choice. The imperials are in the thalmors pocket. They let the elves kidnap and torture Talos worshipers. And the Imperials betrayed and gave up a large chunk of Hammerfell. If the imperials would have kept fighting they would have won the Great War but the politicians were corrupt and decided to abide to the elves proposition. All the jarls recieved rooms filled with gold to agree to the white gold concordat. Sure the Stormcloaks aren’t doing the best thing for Skyrim but there doing what’s needed cause the imperials wont do it.
Forgot to mention about the nords being racist. Another race just destroyed your government. Would you let other races come to your cities? Thats like mass amounts of Americans moving to Germany after WW2. Would they be accepted? Hell no. And Ulfric is right for killing tyyrog the previous high king. If he cant defend himself could he defend his country? So yeah in my opinion the stormcloaks are a better choice.
I noticed *off topic i know… that Hiemakr who is a profit of sorts rantong about tje ban of talos amd for the ppl to rise up! He mentions their planet as “Earth” … I thoight it was “Nirn?” If i am mistaken about sonething just say so politely please as i noticed alot of you Bethesda bum f%#ers like to go into a fit of insults when someone is wrong aboit something to do with thos game lol… its like hearing a star trek fan call someone a loser for spelling some aloen characters name wrong when asking about it. your the loser we just arent as in tune with a video game lol. And for a bunch of know-it-alls tsk tsking the civil war and blindness to the big picture, this whole page looks like a battlefield of two fronts. Kind of ironic…
Next Elder Scrolls…Elsweyr? “Dense Jungles and dusty badlands”. Sounds good to me